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Post by merg on Sept 19, 2004 10:59:10 GMT -5
not to take anything away from Kalan's vocal capabilities, but was anybody surprised to see him defeat Theresa that easily? It is my understanding that the majority of the people voting are the female in the 15-24 demo (that might be wrong, but it seems to be correct). I also knew that no matter who faced Theresa, she was coming out on the losing end, Jacob would have flattened her as well, once again, because of the majority of voters.
I'll say it again, Kalan has a terrific voice, but the whole final result was not even surprising, given the contestants and the knowledge of everything... Maybe these shows should be redesigned on the whole, far too often some of the most mediocre talent moves on whilst the talent gets shoved aside, proving that looks ARE indeed important, because the voting majority will vote for the pretty face before they vote for a vocal powerhouse. Now i hear some people saying "well, Ruben won AI, and he didn't have the look"... I have one question here, do any of us have the proof of the results? I have a feeling that the whole thing is rigged, Ruben more then likely didn't make it past the top 5, and i'm not saying that because i don't like him, anyone who really knows me, knows that i preferred Ruben and Kim Locke in the AI finals, and they didn't really have "the look", but to take them out of the running, would have put more heat on the show, and Elton John (love the guy, but what a moronic douchebag!) comes out and calls it racist? Elton, buddy, it is not THE SHOW that is racist, but the entire voting population, so gear the blame on the real guilty party next time... mmmmkay?
Anyways, I believe the show is kinda sad, not only because it removes more and more credibility to the state of CHR Pop or whatever, but because it is NOT about talent anymore, simply a bad popularity contest that is rigged when the heat needs to go...
sorry for going on like that, but i needed to say this... the shows HAVE GOT TO BE FIXED!
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Post by jt25 on Sept 19, 2004 11:01:46 GMT -5
Agreed!!! On American Idol 3, Simon said to Jasmine, "You were so bad that every household in Hawaii should have 5 telephones" and Jasmine started crying, and for that, who got eliminated? The most professional-sounding of them all! LaToya London! So on next week's episode, Ryan Seacrest said to vote based on the performances.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2004 11:47:22 GMT -5
Face it - the best singer will never win this competition. And do you know why? Because it's much easier to make money off of both the winner AND a good singer than it is to make money off of both the winner and a mediocre singer.
Clay didn't win the second season because Ruben could sell based on the fact that he won. Clay would have sold records anyway. In the long run, it was a win-win situation.
Kelly rightfully won against Sideshow Bob, but it's possible that people were banking on Bob selling more than he did. Hell, isn't that why Tamyra finished 4th? The actual talent gets the boot long before its time.
At least in Canada, we're proving we know better. Ryan may have won, yet somehow, both Billy and Audrey have more successful careers than Ryan or Gary. Given, the entire Top 10 on Canadian Idol 2 was so freakin' talented that you could make money off any of 'em, I think the two best performers got to the end (for once).
I do agree that there was no suspence in Kalan's win. I saw that coming from his performance in the Top 32. He had what it took to win... a decent voice, those deep blue eyes, golden locks... sure, he had the personality of a blanket, but it was a blanket every teenage girl in the country wanted to be wrappd up in.
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Post by Jason on Sept 19, 2004 12:47:03 GMT -5
I can't really attest to anything about Canadian Idol, but for American Idol I think the winners from all three seasons have been talented singers. I think where the whole process fails is the winners getting airplay on Pop radio. Even though the show is called AMERICAN Idol, CANADIAN Idol, AUSTRALIAN Idol (or whatever else)...and not POP Idol, it's target audience is still largely people that listen to Pop radio. The only AI winner to get significant Pop airplay after winning was Kelly Clarkson. That's not right. These people were awarded the title by the voters. Just because Ruben or Fantasia don't record songs that some 13 year old girl in "Nowheresville, Wyoming" might like, doesn't mean that their winning songs shouldn't get significant Pop airplay. "I Believe" could've easily gone Top 20 on Pop...and even though I hated "Flying Without Wings" as a song, it still could've done well on Pop radio if given the chance. Now, even runners-up aren't getting the love like Clay did. I mean, look at Diana. The girl is the perfect cookie-cutter Pop darling. Yet she scored less Pop airplay than Fantasia did.
9 times out of 10, a talented person will win Idol over a Justin Guarini-type, but mainstream radio needs to respond accordingly, no matter who wins. Before any of you start in with your "I don't think Fantasia should've won." or "Ruben didn't deserve to beat Clay" statements, let me remind you that your personal taste in music doesn't determine actual talent.
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Post by jt25 on Sept 19, 2004 17:54:37 GMT -5
Just wondering, but some of you come from Canada, and I just wanted to know that since you guys (well, some of you) come from Canada, I was wondering how you know about Kelly Clarkson
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2004 18:55:44 GMT -5
Just wondering, but some of you come from Canada, and I just wanted to know that since you guys (well, some of you) come from Canada, I was wondering how you know about Kelly Clarkson Well, a couple of reasons, actually: 1. Canada is just north of the United States. We're not, like, Iran or something. 2. We get American television shows in Canada. Hell, most of our TV stations are from the US. We don't have out own Canadian sub-culture that nobody knows about. 3. She's an international recording artist. People in Britain know her, people in Australia know her...
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Post by jt25 on Sept 19, 2004 18:56:51 GMT -5
Well, a couple of reasons, actually: 1. Canada is just north of the United States. We're not, like, Iran or something. 2. We get American television shows in Canada. Hell, most of our TV stations are from the US. We don't have out own Canadian sub-culture that nobody knows about. 3. She's an international recording artist. People in Britain know her, people in Australia know her... Oh
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Post by Kworb on Sept 19, 2004 21:55:50 GMT -5
IMO the people who win the Idol contests are way better singers and performers than most of today's "real" idols. The problem is that the voice doesn't matter that much, even looks don't. To get a hit song you need just that; a good song. You can be the world's greatest vocalist yet no one will like you because you sing crappy songs. These Idols are loved throughout the competition because of all the recognizable songs they sing and how well they sing it; but then when they actually release stuff the songs are garbage that no one buys. I mean, "I Believe" was a crappy gospel song, "Flying Without Wings" a washed up Westlife (of all artists) cover. "Dreams" was a great song but I didn't particularly like it until about the 5th listen, which is too much to draw people in. Kelly is the only of the American idols who actually released some great songs, and the only one with success.
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Post by Vic on Sept 20, 2004 8:01:52 GMT -5
As for Canadian Idol.
I think once the Top 10 was announced it was clear to me that Kalan was going to win this. I had thought it would be a final with Kalan and Jacob with Theresa coming in third. Kalan has been consistant. And he does have the voice. I'm not really a fan. I would have loved to see Theresa win this. And I'm sure 10 years from now Theresa will be the one with the succefful career.
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Post by jt25 on Sept 22, 2004 6:48:41 GMT -5
"Dreams" was a great song but I didn't particularly like it until about the 5th listen I didn't until the 2nd for 3rd
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Post by merg on Sept 22, 2004 12:19:48 GMT -5
i still haven't listened to the song in it's entirety once, nor am i looking forward to.
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Post by scot on Sept 25, 2004 23:21:57 GMT -5
Which one was the guy with the lip ring? Talking about Canadian Idol. I know he was at least top three. Anyways, I think he will be the most successful. Definite showmanship. He's going to be huge!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2004 23:46:00 GMT -5
Which one was the guy with the lip ring? Talking about Canadian Idol. I know he was at least top three. Anyways, I think he will be the most successful. Definite showmanship. He's going to be huge! JACOB!!! That kid was an entertainer. It was in his best interest not to win this thing... I have no idea how the company would have dealt with him. I have his version of the Canadian Idol single, "Awake In A Dream," because, of course, all of the final 3 record it in the event they win... honestly, it's not bad. He makes the best of a cheesy song...
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Post by Vic on Sept 26, 2004 17:55:03 GMT -5
KelownaGuy do you have the cd version of "Awake In A Dream" from Kalan?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2004 18:35:42 GMT -5
KelownaGuy do you have the cd version of "Awake In A Dream" from Kalan? No, not Kalan's, not now at least. I'll let you know if I find it, though.
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